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D&D (2024) The Cleric should be retired
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Clint_L
Legend
I just backed the newest Reaper KS, for their own stripped-down TTRPG system. I'm only in it for the miniatures, but one of the system's features is a return to the basics, and for classes:
- Four Core Classes: Fighter, Cleric, Rogue, Wizards
Aldarc
Legend
I like clerics. I mostly have played clerics. I would still like changes made to clerics so that they were brought closer in line with a more priestly / less crusadery archetype which I feel would better distinguish them from paladins, who cover A LOT of virtually identical conceptual ground.
Remathilis
Legend
Basic was written to be more palatable for younger audiences (and their parents). No Gods, no demons, the scariest things were undead and dragons. It's an oddly refreshing bit of world building.
LuisCarlos17f
Legend
The knights of the roung table, king Arthur and company, were "deities" in an AD&D sourcebook, and they weren't deities at all, and even they weren't "true saints".
D&D doesn't promote the neopaganism, and even it may cause the opposite effect, because when players are used to fireball wands, the possible interest into ocultism from real life is lost, or this is seen as a variant of mythology. I don't remember anybody becoming neopagan by fault of Disney's Hercules cartoon.
If there is a new wave of satanic panic in the next months, don't worry because this will be not linked with D&D, not even with White Wolf's World of Darkness, or Blizzard's Diablo videogame.
D&D doesn't promote the neopaganism, and even it may cause the opposite effect, because when players are used to fireball wands, the possible interest into ocultism from real life is lost, or this is seen as a variant of mythology. I don't remember anybody becoming neopagan by fault of Disney's Hercules cartoon.
If there is a new wave of satanic panic in the next months, don't worry because this will be not linked with D&D, not even with White Wolf's World of Darkness, or Blizzard's Diablo videogame.
Which sourcebook had them as deities!?
I know 1e Deities and Demigods had a lot of (merely) heroes in it in addition to the beings in the title, and monsters too (as advertised on the back cover).
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LuisCarlos17f
Legend
The Arthurian heroes appear as "pantheon" in the sourcebook "Legend and Lore", previosly tittled "Deities and Demigods".
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The cleric has been in all the previous editions. I don't mind if you want a new name for the divine-spellcaster, for example devotee, but I don't like the idea of blessed "clerics" to be replaced with womanizer bards if the PCs want healing magic. It could cause unconfortable controversies.
Legends & Lore
Legends & Lore is a 1st-edition Advanced Dungeons & Dragons accessory. From the front cover: From the back cover: Legends & Lore was a repackaged printing of Deities & Demigods 1st edition and is considered the sixth printing of that book. The content of Legends & Lore is almost identical to the...
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The cleric has been in all the previous editions. I don't mind if you want a new name for the divine-spellcaster, for example devotee, but I don't like the idea of blessed "clerics" to be replaced with womanizer bards if the PCs want healing magic. It could cause unconfortable controversies.
Do you have a scan of which one that is where it is described as a Pantheon inside the book? Because the original printing in 1e of Deities and Demigods (with the Chulhu Mythos) has...
Most of the chapters aren't called pantheon either, they're called mythos:
And even the summary in the link you provide uses the same namings - Mythos and Heroes.
It is true that the back cover of the Original book said "17 Pantheons", but the later Legends and Lore back cover (on the link you provided) doesn't.
But even so, taking the OG back cover to mean that they were actually considered a pantheon of deities goes against the inside text of the book and would also then apply to everything else in there such as Hiawatha or Odysseus (and the others called out as heroes) or monsters (like the Dharzi Hunting Dog or many others) - which feels untenable. It feels much more likely to me that not much effort is put into back cover blurbs.
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