Yup. I feel like this all the time. I don't want to tear into an extended rant, but I want you to know that you are not alone. Thanks for sharing!I find having to make the same discussions continuously, ad nauseum is more than exhausting.
It feels like people value being right than learning on a fundamental level, such that they'll make claims more for the value of entertainment and "pwning" the other person rather than going at it with the intention to consider a new perspective.
I don't feel like changing people's minds, I just want people to actually understand my position and not give the same canned response that gets repeated across the internet, as if the internet is always correct. I also hate hiveminds and echo chambers. It's one reason I'm glad these types of forums don't have downvote penalties. I'm always skeptical until I either experience something or I am given a new perspective that makes sense from a more objective angle. Sometimes, I won't be perfect in that goal, but I can assure that I do try.
I don't believe the "opposition" is incorrect completely, though. I just want to get to the heart of their reasoning. Like how if you keep asking "why." Someone will answer the question with a definitive "because it reminds me of the mellow times with just me and my father before he passed." And you go "Ah, yeah. Now I understand why you'd put condensed milk on pizza."
Sorry for the rant, I'm just tired of getting defensive or gotcha arguments when I genuinely do value discussions.
I find having to make the same discussions continuously, ad nauseum is more than exhausting.
It feels like people value being right than learning on a fundamental level, such that they'll make claims more for the value of entertainment and "pwning" the other person rather than going at it with the intention to consider a new perspective.
I don't feel like changing people's minds, I just want people to actually understand my position and not give the same canned response that gets repeated across the internet, as if the internet is always correct. I also hate hiveminds and echo chambers. It's one reason I'm glad these types of forums don't have downvote penalties. I'm always skeptical until I either experience something or I am given a new perspective that makes sense from a more objective angle. Sometimes, I won't be perfect in that goal, but I can assure that I do try.
I don't believe the "opposition" is incorrect completely, though. I just want to get to the heart of their reasoning. Like how if you keep asking "why." Someone will answer the question with a definitive "because it reminds me of the mellow times with just me and my father before he passed." And you go "Ah, yeah. Now I understand why you'd put condensed milk on pizza."
Sorry for the rant, I'm just tired of getting defensive or gotcha arguments when I genuinely do value discussions.
Different people. Same argument. Words that look like they were just copy/pasted from some internet playbook by a dozen different people. It's tiring. It's maddening.I find having to make the same discussions continuously, ad nauseum is more than exhausting.
It feels like people value being right than learning on a fundamental level, such that they'll make claims more for the value of entertainment and "pwning" the other person rather than going at it with the intention to consider a new perspective.
I don't feel like changing people's minds, I just want people to actually understand my position and not give the same canned response that gets repeated across the internet, as if the internet is always correct. I also hate hiveminds and echo chambers. It's one reason I'm glad these types of forums don't have downvote penalties. I'm always skeptical until I either experience something or I am given a new perspective that makes sense from a more objective angle. Sometimes, I won't be perfect in that goal, but I can assure that I do try.
I don't believe the "opposition" is incorrect completely, though. I just want to get to the heart of their reasoning. Like how if you keep asking "why." Someone will answer the question with a definitive "because it reminds me of the mellow times with just me and my father before he passed." And you go "Ah, yeah. Now I understand why you'd put condensed milk on pizza."
Sorry for the rant, I'm just tired of getting defensive or gotcha arguments when I genuinely do value discussions.
"Why do you keep wanting me to admit in a D&D thread that D&D isn't Satan incarnate as a game!?! How can you not see that it really is that awful!?!?"
All of these decades of playing, and I still haven't figured out how to cast the real spells. I feel like I've been lied to.