So, Wandavision?

Tonguez · Mar 2, 2021

Blue said:
Regardless if it's organic tissue or merely mimicking organic tissue, Ultron specifically states that it can be used to make a living body.

Yes a living metalic body (so it sparks when grinding) but not a flesh body (no blood splatter).

iirc in the comics Vision turns white due to his skin being damaged in the rebuild (which is a simple explanation) - for the MCU his colours already been drain to grey after he died, so the white might just be a slow recovery

Blue · Mar 2, 2021

Tonguez said:
Yes a living metalic body (so it sparks when grinding) but not a flesh body (no blood splatter).

iirc in the comics Vision turns white due to his skin being damaged in the rebuild (which is a simple explanation) - for the MCU his colours already been drain to grey after he died, so the white might just be a slow recovery

I don't have a problem with a living metallic body - that's what I expect after the vibranium bonded to the flesh from the Regeneration Cradle.

I have a problem with the lack of a living metallic body and the body being full of wires and actuators and bits instead.

doctorbadwolf · Mar 2, 2021

Umbran said:
You mean, when the cops catch her after she does something horrible while drunk....

Or, are you contending that witches get together to kill one of their own for no good reason? Have you forgotten that users of magic in the Marvel universe bring things like Dormammu or Cthon into the world?

Also, do we actually know that they were trying to kill Agatha - as opposed to, say, sever her connection to some ugly mystical power?

They came for her pre-emptively, far as I can tell.
The charge was that she got drunk, not that she did something bad while drunk.

Umbran said:
It is possible that puppy was actually a cockroach. However....

She. Killed. Her. Own. Mother.

Eh. If her mother was trying to kill her because she came into a power that she didn’t approve of, she was justified. Hell, even if her mom was justified in thinking it wasn’t possible to “be good” while holding that power, Agatha was justified.

Staffan · Mar 2, 2021

Umbran said:
Right. So, you expect people to... just stand aside when something more powerful comes along? Blame them for their own deaths when the powerful villain kills them? Are you failing to recall that this is superhero genre, not gritty dystopia?

Note to self - do not put Staffan on the team that's standing up against Thanos.

Agatha's mother tried to murder her. For learning magic "above her age and station." After Agatha begged the coven and her mother to help teach her how to control the magic. There's no indication that Agatha had done anything other than learning magic she wasn't supposed to — the coven didn't accuse her of killing people, or mind-controlling them, or doing anything concrete. Agatha killing her, if it was at all under her control, was a clear case of self-defense.

Look at Agatha's face in the prologue, as the coven's attack reverses itself back on her assailants:

That is not the face of an evil mastermind who goes "Ha-ha, you fell for my trap!" That's the face of a young woman who thought she was about to die at the hands of those she considered friends and mentors, has no idea what is going on with her would-be murderers' attack being turned against them. This is a very different situation from stopping Thanos who's bent on conquest and destruction.

Edit: Here's another thought: do you also think the Kree were justified in attempting to brainwash and control Carol Danvers, who after all came into possession of a power that would be a threat to them? If not, why is Agatha's situation different?

Davies · Mar 3, 2021

Staffan said:
That is not the face of an evil mastermind who goes "Ha-ha, you fell for my trap!" That's the face of a young woman who thought she was about to die at the hands of those she considered friends and mentors, has no idea what is going on with her would-be murderers' attack being turned against them.

What did she do in the immediate aftermath, though? Did she mourn? Did she express any regret?

Are you ignoring the possibility that the excellent actress who pretended to be Wanda's good friend through all those episodes was pretending to be scared?

Umbran · Mar 3, 2021

doctorbadwolf said:
They came for her pre-emptively, far as I can tell.
The charge was that she got drunk, not that she did something bad while drunk.

She had to try to weasel herself out of an accusation that she broke the rules - a weaseling they didn't buy. So, there was some infraction already extant for which they came.

You don't think that, in a multiverse with Mephistos and Cthons and Dormammus, that there aren't magical rules that shouldn't be broken? That societies of magic should not police? I mean, after seeing what happens with Kaecilius almost ending the world? She joined a group. She gained power from that. They had rules. She knew she was flouting them. The attempt at punishment was undesired, but not a surprise.

With great power comes great responsibility. Fail in that responsibility, and there will be consequences. No? You don't figure that's a thing?

doctorbadwolf · Mar 3, 2021

Umbran said:
She had to try to weasel herself out of an accusation that she broke the rules - a weaseling they didn't buy. So, there was some infraction already extant for which they came.

You don't think that, in a multiverse with Mephistos and Cthons and Dormammus, that there aren't magical rules that shouldn't be broken? That societies of magic should not police? I mean, after seeing what happens with Kaecilius almost ending the world? She joined a group. She gained power from that. They had rules. She knew she was flouting them. The attempt at punishment was undesired, but not a surprise.

With great power comes great responsibility. Fail in that responsibility, and there will be consequences. No? You don't figure that's a thing?

All irrelevant, unless she actually did something evil with the power. Excuses for making a truth of the anarchist accusation that laws are just a threat of violence by those in power.

They came, they accused, they tried to kill her. Defending herself is reasonable and justified, barring further information.

Gradine · Mar 3, 2021

What's the over/under on how many of the takes in this thread since last episode will have shed poorly by Friday?

Imaculata · Mar 3, 2021

I honestly dare not make any predictions regarding the final episode. I just hope Vision survives in the end, though in my heart that seems unlikely. And what will happen of the kids? Are they real, or just more of Agatha's trickery?

Erekose · Mar 3, 2021

Vision surviving is simultaneously what I want most to happen in the final episode and the least likely thing to happen

So, Wandavision?

Tonguez

A suffusion of yellow

Blue

Ravenous Bugblatter Beast of Traal

doctorbadwolf

Heretic of The Seventh Circle

Staffan

Legend

Davies

Legend

Umbran

Mod Squad

doctorbadwolf

Heretic of The Seventh Circle

Gradine

The Elephant in the Room (she/her)

Imaculata

Hero

Erekose

Eternal Champion

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