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  1. AbdulAlhazred

    What makes an TTRPG a "Narrative Game" (Daggerheart Discussion)

    Well, I DO think there's a story/narrative to a Dungeon Crawl. It emerges out of the interface between the GM's predefined setting, the dungeon, and the player's attempts to 'beat' it, or at least achieve some scaled amount of the win cons. I also agree that there is meaningful roleplay possible...
  2. AbdulAlhazred

    What makes an TTRPG a "Narrative Game" (Daggerheart Discussion)

    That wasn't what I heard him say, or what @pemerton stated. The Big Model is a general model of RPG play in any given moment of play, describing the elements of that play. GNS describes aesthetic goals of play, they are not the same thing. GNS =/= Big Model. They are both talking about PLAY...
  3. AbdulAlhazred

    What makes an TTRPG a "Narrative Game" (Daggerheart Discussion)

    So, pure gamist dungeon crawl isn't a game at all, eh? I think there's something wrong here...
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    What makes an TTRPG a "Narrative Game" (Daggerheart Discussion)

    Yes and no... I started running 4e for @Gilladian and primarily a couple of other people. 2 of those three played a LOT of 3.5e (and actually STILL play that, though there was a foray into 5e for a while). Yes, at first our game was pretty trad/neo-trad-ish I guess. I mean there was a setting...
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    What makes an TTRPG a "Narrative Game" (Daggerheart Discussion)

    And here's where I think things can be discussed. The later, a situation in which there's one simple obvious morally correct answer, could generate CONFLICT, but it won't be interesting in Narrativist terms. That is, if gnolls are simply evil slathering demon-worshippers who have no redeeming...
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    What makes an TTRPG a "Narrative Game" (Daggerheart Discussion)

    Right. While my evolutionary biology education is probably only a tiny bit better than yours (I had to take college-level biology at least, and have a good working knowledge of basic biochemistry) I am fairly confident you are correct. Humans and Octopi must have shared a common ancestor...
  7. AbdulAlhazred

    What makes an TTRPG a "Narrative Game" (Daggerheart Discussion)

    Yeah, I don't want to completely dismiss the idea that games borrow from each other and that there are similarities in rules, genre, intended process of play, and potentially many other areas. What I'm saying is that, sure, draw a line around certain games and call that a 'family of RPGs' but I...
  8. AbdulAlhazred

    What makes an TTRPG a "Narrative Game" (Daggerheart Discussion)

    I don't think this is a good analogy. So, how about TV sets? Is there a continuum between my 1995 Sony CRT NTSC TV and my modern 4K Sony Bravia LED TV? I don't think so! Sure, at some level they are engineered to solve some of the same problems and perform analogous functions, but the technology...
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    What makes an TTRPG a "Narrative Game" (Daggerheart Discussion)

    5e seems thoroughly built on the notion that you will completely document an entire location beforehand with a whole map and key and everything needed to inform the players that this or that or another thing is so, or not so, etc. Now, you could, and I guess Mike envisaged this, play 4e in a...
  10. AbdulAlhazred

    What makes an TTRPG a "Narrative Game" (Daggerheart Discussion)

    Right, but also moving a lot of discretion about how to apply the rules into the system, both in terms of combat but also by using SC. Giving all characters similar power of choice instead of giving it all to casters. Putting keywords on everything so you easily make consistent assumptions, etc.
  11. AbdulAlhazred

    What makes an TTRPG a "Narrative Game" (Daggerheart Discussion)

    Honestly I agree with you on much too. My own practice of Narrativist style play emerged largely when I adopted 4e D&D. It's a bit of a weird transition game because we all thought we were going to play trad D&D and then we got a few sessions in and it was like, no this game really works best if...
  12. AbdulAlhazred

    What makes an TTRPG a "Narrative Game" (Daggerheart Discussion)

    Again, I think I claim to be less a 'modalist' in the sense of "there are specific enumerable modes of play and all play must fall into one" as I am a believer in the discreteness of game architectures. While Dungeon World clothes itself in some of the genre conceits of B/X, it is a completely...
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    What makes an TTRPG a "Narrative Game" (Daggerheart Discussion)

    I'm pushing against your 'landscape' concept, which is describing, mathematically, a continuum of possible game elements, which implies they can simply be juxtaposed and you could then assign a 'coordinate' in your landscape to each one like it has X amount of A, Y amount of B, etc. It is much...
  14. AbdulAlhazred

    What makes an TTRPG a "Narrative Game" (Daggerheart Discussion)

    We had uses for coin, but 'get gold' was never a DRIVING force behind anything Takeo did. He did stuff, for reasons, and if he could turn it into some gold, he did, because the stuff was handy to have. So, in a few instances of play, a decision WAS made based on more or less gold being in the...
  15. AbdulAlhazred

    What makes an TTRPG a "Narrative Game" (Daggerheart Discussion)

    Oh, sure, there has to be a coherent through narrative that arises, that's one of the constraints on play, probably the most important one. I just mean, I am not thinking like someone who's plotting out what happens next and saying "well, if the brick fell off the balcony, then the noise brought...
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