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<blockquote data-quote="Khisanth the Ancient" data-source="post: 5059520" data-attributes="member: 11368"><p>OK, makes sense. I''ll boost the HD.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Why? There are mining machines as big or bigger than the Cloverfield monster and they can support themselves just fine.</p><p></p><p>Cloverfield is estimated at ~5000 tons I think (according to the Cloverfield wiki anyway); too big for a land animal (ESPECIALLY one as agile as Cloverfield is). But it's not so insane that it needs to be some supermaterial. </p><p></p><p>Also we don't know the true internal structure of Cloverfield; does it even HAVE bones? It's not a vertebrate clearly (too many limbs, wrong shaped head); if its support structure was arranged differently it could get away with more. </p><p></p><p>Strong as steel, maybe, but no need to be stronger - steel is well stronger than bone, and bone isn't the limiting material generally (cartilage is MUCH weaker in compressive strength - human femur bone ~200 MPa vs. hyaline cartilage deforming at ~5 MPa; though this is VERY poorly known for cartilage!) The biggest dinosaurs may well have been pushing the limits for cartilage strength; they do not seem to have been pushing them for bone strength. And Cloverfield probably does not have cartilage (if I had to guess I'd suggest some sort of hydraulic system; seems appropriate as it has other vaguely arthropod-like traits.) If it doesn't ... well, it needs stronger bone still, but not THAT much stronger. (Assuming a mass of 50,000,000 Newtons, a little over 5000 tons, for Cloverfield, a mere 2 square meters of limb bone area is sufficient to apply a pressure of 25 MPa when standing, giving a safety factor of eight to allow for running, jumping etc. However, that estimate of 5000 tons is awful low....)</p><p></p><p>(Cloverfield's design is not particularly plausible, honestly, especially for something Earth derived. There are ways to make a bigger-than-dinosaur --though maybe not THAT big-- land creature plausible, but moviemakers never get them right. It's not necessarily the case that the biggest land animals we know - the big sauropods- were hitting into biomechanical limits; food could just as easily be a limiting factor. The big titanosaurs got almost as big as <em>Amphicoelias</em> (maybe bigger if <em>Bruhathkayosaurus</em> turns out to be legit) and they're not nearly as superlight in construction.)</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Khisanth the Ancient, post: 5059520, member: 11368"] OK, makes sense. I''ll boost the HD. Why? There are mining machines as big or bigger than the Cloverfield monster and they can support themselves just fine. Cloverfield is estimated at ~5000 tons I think (according to the Cloverfield wiki anyway); too big for a land animal (ESPECIALLY one as agile as Cloverfield is). But it's not so insane that it needs to be some supermaterial. Also we don't know the true internal structure of Cloverfield; does it even HAVE bones? It's not a vertebrate clearly (too many limbs, wrong shaped head); if its support structure was arranged differently it could get away with more. Strong as steel, maybe, but no need to be stronger - steel is well stronger than bone, and bone isn't the limiting material generally (cartilage is MUCH weaker in compressive strength - human femur bone ~200 MPa vs. hyaline cartilage deforming at ~5 MPa; though this is VERY poorly known for cartilage!) The biggest dinosaurs may well have been pushing the limits for cartilage strength; they do not seem to have been pushing them for bone strength. And Cloverfield probably does not have cartilage (if I had to guess I'd suggest some sort of hydraulic system; seems appropriate as it has other vaguely arthropod-like traits.) If it doesn't ... well, it needs stronger bone still, but not THAT much stronger. (Assuming a mass of 50,000,000 Newtons, a little over 5000 tons, for Cloverfield, a mere 2 square meters of limb bone area is sufficient to apply a pressure of 25 MPa when standing, giving a safety factor of eight to allow for running, jumping etc. However, that estimate of 5000 tons is awful low....) (Cloverfield's design is not particularly plausible, honestly, especially for something Earth derived. There are ways to make a bigger-than-dinosaur --though maybe not THAT big-- land creature plausible, but moviemakers never get them right. It's not necessarily the case that the biggest land animals we know - the big sauropods- were hitting into biomechanical limits; food could just as easily be a limiting factor. The big titanosaurs got almost as big as [I]Amphicoelias[/I] (maybe bigger if [I]Bruhathkayosaurus[/I] turns out to be legit) and they're not nearly as superlight in construction.) [/QUOTE]
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